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Dr. Brian Weiss: All right, well, hey, welcome back to another Get Wise with Weiss podcast. I've got a very special guest today. I have Mr. Dustin Ho-Gland, who is the clinical educator and our behavioral health facility now previously known as the Pavilion. This is very similar to the artist previously known as Prince. So Dustin, I'm glad to have you here. Why the name changed, why are we moving away from the Pavilion to behavioral health facility?

Dustin Ho-Gland: You know, the pavilion opened up in 67, 68, 1967, 1968, and for a long time was kind of for lack of understanding associated with involuntary committals. Like, ah, you gotta be careful. They're gonna take you to the path and lock you up. And it wasn't perceived. By the public as a place of healing, as a place where you can go get help. And so they made the decision to rebrand or at least kind of give a better description of what we are, behavioral health so that we can have more.

I think sometimes when people were like, you can go to the pavilion for an assessment. They might clam up, they might say, no, I don't want to go there. I've heard about that place. Whereas if we were to say, you can go to behavioral. , they might be more likely to go, and to try to deal with that so it's not just an image deal. I think part of it was a practical consideration because we think somebody may be more willing to go to a place that sounds like behavioral health than. Something that had been associated with not pleasant memories. Yeah. Sometimes.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Well, good. And I know it's been a very purposeful progress to really enhance what we offer at the behavioral health facility at Northwest. Just I guess in general, we used a term behavioral health, you know, as opposed to maybe mental health or. What does that mean? Is that term encompass maybe a broader spectrum of conditions people might suffer from?

Dustin Ho-Gland: I mean, strictly speaking, you know, behavioral, sometimes the distinction if you wanna split hairs is behavioral deals more with like, things like, behavior problems, personalities, or stuff like that. Anymore, it's almost used as a catchall, like mental health. Psychiatric health. But again, behavioral health I think has a little bit more welcoming connotation to it than mental health, mental illness, psychiatric illness. I think behavioral health is a little bit more encompassing. And accommodating.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. Well, of course, I think. When people think of the old psychiatric facilities, you know, you almost picture the one flew over the cuckoo's nest kind of situation, and, and obviously a lot of us familiar with psychosis and schizophrenias as really the extremes on one end, but then there's a lot more subtle conditions that people suffer from that affect their daily lives. . And I think that's why I'm hoping I, that we get a sense that people understand that we can treat those or we can help them with with them. How about in terms of what are some the recent additions to our behavioral health facility in terms of programming or our therapies that we can offer now?

Dustin Ho-Gland: Well, we're offering Biofeedback and neurofeedback therapies where you can, it's almost like mindfulness with technology. We connect you to a monitor. You see your heart rate, you see your respirations, and you match your breathing with your heart rate. It's especially effective at treating traumas. We've had, I had a young man who had experienced significant abuse in his life, and he was inpatient. He went to about three or. Sessions before he was discharged, and you could tell a difference in him. It kind of helps you to cope and when you're in an anxious state, it tricks your body into thinking that you're calm because it can slow that down.

And then we are going to be starting soon, the ECT Electroconvulsive Therapy, which you mentioned, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Everybody remembers the last scene with Jack Nicholson and they zap him and he's, that's not what it is. I think a lot of people associate ECT with like lobotomies or something, and that's not what it is. For us it is it okay if I talk about?

Dr. Brian Weiss: Oh, yes. No. Cause we are, we're very excited about the fact that we are now offering this therapy.

Dustin Ho-Gland: It is. So it's to talk about what it treats. It treats what we're going to be treating with. It is, Depression that is not responsive to medication or therapy. Medication and therapy or the gold standard for treatment of depression. But oftentimes people kind of have a darkness that won't lift, so they seek out something more. ECT can provide that. So ECT, electroconvulsive therapy the way we're gonna be doing it is after the patient's been assessed, they have to get a medical clearance.

They have to get all checked out, they have to get educated on it, and we will take them and we will have an anesthesiologist at the bedside, put them under an. So they won't feel anything. We will put a blood pressure cuff on their left leg so that the left foot, I guess you could say doesn't become anesthetized. So it's still, it's not receiving that medication for the paralysis that. They'll have, and again, they won't have any memory of it. Then we actually do, we have two electrodes. They look like silver cups and we can put them on their head. We can either do it one on the left, one on the right, we can do one on the front, one on the back, just depending.

And a small current. And it is a small current is conducted through the brain and through the skin to the brain, and it causes a. And we have that left foot unanesthetized, I don't know if there's a better word for that, unanesthetized. So we can actually see it jerk. We can see it tremble, and we know that the seizure's been successful. So once they wake up, I mean, honestly, the anesthesia itself has more risks than the ECT. They will do three treatments a week for four weeks, so 12 treatments, and most studies show. They, between 70 to 90% of patients experience a profound change. They, a lot of people describe it as getting their life back.

It just works. Now, it doesn't cure it. There is no cure for depression, but for the persistent depression that nothing else is working. This can be just. Just a little bit short of a miracle for them.

Dr. Brian Weiss: I'm glad you brought this up. I, my first experience with this goes back many years ago when I, when I trained in Dallas and actually was at the, the Veteran's Hospital in Dallas, and they were offering this therapy for veterans with what you said, treatment resistant. Depression with PTSD. And I have to say, its probably one of the most successful interventions in medicine I have ever seen. I mean, these gentlemen would recover quickly and usually could go as long as six months with a complete remission of their depression or stuff, and they would come back and beg for it again when they started having symptoms redevelop.

So it is, it's an incredible. Therapy, as you said, amazingly safe, not the old days where, you know, the video movies used to portray, but this is a very well controlled seizure and anesthesia, and just an incredible intervention. So I know you and your team have working on this for a number of months to get this set up and we are delighted that at this point we're ready to offer it.

Dustin Ho-Gland: We're excited about it. I was doing some reading on it the other day, and actually it's safe for pregnant women. It's actually some say like, like just as safe if not a little bit more safe than medication. So we can now, we're not gonna be doing we're not gonna be doing pregnant patients, but I mean, that's how thought out that's how safe this can be. I mean, people freak out with like, oh my gosh, you're gonna put electricity through the brain. No. I mean, yes we do, but it's in a controlled thing and it's not like we give them some stick to bite down on . Right.

Dr. Brian Weiss: So, just before we leave this topic So suppose I'm a patient who is interested in this, how would I be evaluated or how do I get started? I'm being, you know, assessed for the possibility of, of receiving this therapy?

Dustin Ho-Gland: I would start by contacting our partial hospitalization program or our intensive outpatient program that we have at the Behavioral Health. I don't have the number on me right now, but you can call and get established there. They can get you in with one of our two psychiatrists that are gonna be doing it. And I think after we're having. Kind of get the process down in the first couple, probably the first couple patients you might see some more, maybe marketing or something like that, kind of getting the word out there.

I think that as some more therapists and local physicians, psychiatrists know that we're doing it. You might have patients requesting it for them. It's kind of like when we started doing, we're not doing it now, but when they were doing the ketamine therapy, a lot of the therapists around town said, Hey, Northwest is doing ketamine. We had a Psychiatrist that was working with us and they could get them in through that way. So hopefully it's gonna do the same thing for us.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah, fantastic. I think it's gonna be a very short matter of time before people realize just the benefits of this therapy. So, and as all elements of society, you know, the behavioral health area has really benefited from modern technology. And I've heard word about these, this virtual reality therapy we're using now. What are we talking about there?

Dustin Ho-Gland: So, And we've got the stuff for it. We're just waiting on some licensing things for the software. But you can have a virtual reality simulation. Let's say that you're like one of millions of young Americans who went to Afghanistan or Iraq. You experience something incredibly traumatic. We can, with virtual reality, place you back in that situation or a very close approximation thereof, and you can go through experience what you've experienced then in a safer and controlled. Therapeutic environment and it can allow people to develop coping mechanisms with that. You can, it's kind of like exposure therapy, but yeah, you can, with certain programs, you can take it in, you can program it in and make it incredibly realistic.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. My understanding is not only visual and hearing, but they even have odors now that they can reenact. That bring you back into that situation.

Dustin Ho-Gland: Yeah. You can make burning, I'm trying to think of some of the different smells that it can do, but Yeah, you can have like the odor of gunpowder, things like that.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Wow. No, I'd say we're very excited about that. I've heard incredible things there. Yeah. Even here, we're offering music therapy at the behavioral health facility. I mean, how does that work?

Dustin Ho-Gland: We have alternative therapies in, in what we used to just call music therapy, but we do have two music therapists and music, I mean, you're a musician. It does something to the human soul. It does something to the human condition. When you, I don't know if it's the rhythm, I don't know what it is, but just being exposed to the music, oftentimes it's therapeutic. I remember when I was in nursing school and I was doing my psych rotation, we went through and did a music therapy session with some patients and they used to have back in the day, and I don't know what happened to these.

They had a huge vinyl selection. Down in the treatment area in the pavilion. And these patients all selected songs they wanted. And it was really cool because the two songs, the the first two were a runaway train and leaving on a midnight train to Georgia . And that's, but it told so much about what they were going through. So a lot of times people will talk about, Their life through music. I had a young man who was having a bad day. He was impatient. And I just kind of pulled him off to the side, you know, he was super tight, clenched his fist.

I said, man, what, what music do you like? And I just got my phone out. We put it on YouTube. He told me the name of actually two hiphop artists and I forgot who they were, but it was incredible. We just listened to music. And then I actually busted out some early nineties rap that I liked, and he was like, oh, it was cool. But in that moment we were able to bond and connect. So it formed kind of a bridge. But with the music therapy, I mean, we can do various things. They can do, like I've had on come up to the units and they've done drum circles with the patients.

Not my particular favorite, but they'll do drum circles or they'll you know, listen to music or they'll listen to a piece of music and everybody will talk about it. Or they will have somebody Kaylee that used to be a music therapist. She would come and just play guitar for him. And it's really interesting, once on the geriatric unit, she came in and was just playing just real light guitar. And this guy came up and said, can I see the guitar? And she said, sure. Which was a big trust thing for her to let this guy do it.

He started playing Spanish guitar, it sounded like stuff like flamenco dancing. It was incredible. I mean just absolutely amazing. So giving them people just this avenue for expression, whether it's through participating in making music or noise with the drum circle, sorry, drum circles are great. Patients like it, but, or if it's just explaining why. Midnight train to Georgia is such a profound thing for him. I know a veteran that he his therapeutic thing is to listen to sitting on the Dock of the Bay by Otis Redding, and it's, if he's having a bad day, that really helps him. So I think it just kind of connects and does it.

And plus they can do that we can do other therapies. One of the favorite ones, and I think it's funny with with adults even more so than children, is coloring pages. Like if we have coloring books, like if donating stuff, coloring books, especially anything Star Wars related. I've seen grown men, men in their fifties that will sit down with map colors and work on a baby Yoda picture for an hour. It's really funny how adults really enjoy that.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Absolutely. Well, I think art in all forms has profound effects. As you point, for me, music has always had a incredible effect on me. You know what, normally when I listen to the music, I listen to, I get this awesome ringing in my ears. But yeah. But, so, yes. But those are great therapies. Well, you know, the big thing too is obviously we're heading into the holiday. And that can be a really sensitive time for a lot of people. I mean, that's what suddenly people may have lost loved ones in their lives and this is just a bad time for a lot of people sometimes with those losses. And so therefore we see a fair amount of depression or grief reactions. How do I know if I'm struggling or I'm getting in trouble?

Dustin Ho-Gland: It's different for everybody. Men are a little bit less likely to understand and identify depression for what it is. For a man it could be just like, man, I am just irritated and these people will not shut up, and I'm just mad all the time. And it manifests like that. For a lot of people it can manifest as just profound disorganization. They just can't seem to kind of keep things together. The lack of any kind. Joyful feeling. Any pleasure in any activity. They can say, I say this before, or I've said this before and people kind of laugh at me, but if you have a friend that's big into hobbies, a certain hobby, and all of a sudden they're not doing it, That's a big indicator that there's something going on when people stop doing something they love.

But it's not just persistent sadness. It's not just crying all the time. It's anytime you or your family notice behavior out of the ordinary, all behavior has meaning and you might need to step back and say, what's going on here? And this time of year daylight savings time just rings it for people, all of a sudden it's getting dark at 5:00 PM and that has a huge effect on people. Some of the studies they've done up in places like in Alaska or even in Scandinavia, how suicide during the winter months skyrockets.

And I think a lot of that's just because they're not able to get out and get sunshine. So, all of that kind of culminates, and I think people, especially if you have a history of mental illness, need to be especially in tune with yourself around the holidays specifically, because our three major holidays, the three biggies actually, if you even wanted to say the four biggies Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years all take place during the cold, dark months. Maybe sometimes it's the holiday. That's the trigger in the AA community, they'll have there's certain, some of the clubs will have extra meetings on Thanksgiving Day just to, so people can get away from their families.

I mean, we're supposed to be with families, but that can be a stressful time for everybody's got that one uncle that wants to have the fight with him an d that can be a stressor. Or the holiday times. You've mentioned people that have lost loved ones. Even if they didn't lose them around that time, if they didn't lose them in Thanksgiving, they'll remember the times they've had at the holidays with that person and that can be very traumatic. They kind of, you get lost in the reminiscing and it, and it gets all encompassing. And then pretty soon you're in a, you're in a funker, you're in a darkness that just won't lift.

And when you see that, when this is, when you realize that it's taking up a considerable amount of your time and it is interfering with the way you live your life, with what you do, with who you are, you need to seek help. You need to talk to somebody. There's lots of resources on the internet. There's numbers you can call, or just reaching out to a friend and saying, man, I just can't shake this. What do I need to do if you had this? So just being open about communication, which, you know, as we all know, men are great a t being open with our feelings, not really .

Dr. Brian Weiss: Exactly. But as you mentioned too, I think the big concern is people who get into those, that, that darkness, oftentimes turn to chemicals to try to help themselves, whether it be alcohol or other drugs, and that just in many ways fuels the fire. I mean, always makes the whole situation worse ultimately.

Dustin Ho-Gland: Yeah, there's no problem that alcohol can't make worse.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, even hear, talk about, I've heard term, the term grief ambush, you know, which is a term that I think they use when, as you kind of point out is someone may have felt they got over the grief or loss of a loved one and then all of a sudden there's something like a smell, an event, something that triggers that memory. That brings that whole flood of grief right back over on him. And it could be overwhelming, but just suddenly just this ambush or attack of grief.

Dustin Ho-Gland: My best friend lost his mother this summer and he was talking to me the other day and he, he had posted on Facebook that the first cold snap we had made him sad because his mother used to always call him and tell him at night he needed to leave one of the faucets on dripping so the the pipes wouldn't bust. And you said that it's little things that people that have, you see it with the PTSD too, and I love that term. Grief, ambush. I actually wrote it on my hand cuz I wanna look that up.

But it's usually a little thing, it's not like a, a big deal, but it's just something little. Boom. Takes them right back there. And a lot of times it's stuff they think they've dealt with and it's not,

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. So, so when that happens, so, you know, let's say, boy, I do notice that the things I've enjoyed doing, I'm just not interested in doing right now, and, I get up in the morning and just feel like, gosh, I, I'm having trouble facing another day. What do I do?

Dustin Ho-Gland: First, you need to start, just talk to someone. I mean anybody whether it's a family member, whether it's a coworker, whether it's your boss, whether it's a clergy person, a minister, priest, rabbi, whoever. Somebody that knows you, somebody that cares about you, and say, Hey, listen, this is bothering me. Have you seen a change in me? And a lot of times they'll say yes. A lot of times people are just afraid to say, Brian, you haven't seen yourself lately. What's going on? They're afraid to have that conversation, but they need to go talk to somebody. Also another thing they can do, and you can look up on the internet symptoms of depression.

You can look up, you can even just type in, Hey, I don't want to do anything or not enjoying life. And it'll have a lot of resources that can pop up, that can point you in a good direction. Get an appointment with your primary care physician. Because Sometimes there are things that kind of masquerades depression. It could be something else going on, but at least you're going to be getting somebody that can get you in touch. And if it gets bad, you can come to our intake and assessment area department. You can walk right up to the door, push a button. There's gonna be somebody on the other side.

You can say, Hey, listen, I'd like to come in for an assessment. And they can see if you would be appropriate for inpatient therapy or they can refer you out and get you community resources so you can get some help. So, I mean, y o u can just come to us if you're own accord, you don't have to have a doctor say, go look there or go to behavioral health. You can come in the front door of our place and we'll get you help.

Dr. Brian Weiss: No, that's fantastic. So I don't need an appointment. So that's good to know. And that's open 24/7?

Dustin Ho-Gland: 24/7.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Okay. Fantastic. That's great to know. And then you kinda mentioned even maybe in a more awkward situations when you noticed a loved one that's not acting like themselves, you know, a friend or family. How do you broach that topic or that, that, you know, that question of, gosh, man, I'm kind of worried about them. How do I approach this?

Dustin Ho-Gland: First thing you do, find a good place to have the conversation. Have a place where you and this person can be focused on each other, where you aren't gonna have a lot of stimulation and where other people aren't gonna hear. Because if it's an embarrassing thing, people may not want to discuss it, but just telling. Brian, I've noticed you just don't see yourself lately. You really like music. And the other day when I was at your house, I saw your guitar and there was dust on it, and it just worries me.

I, I want you to be happy. I want you to know that I love you, and when you're. unhappy. When you're in a bad place, I'm in a bad place with you. And using those reassuring things, not as, okay dude, what it is with you. What's going on with you? Why are you acting this way? Don't go to their house and throw the curtains open and say, all right, enough's enough. Come on, let's get out. Live, laugh, love that kind of thing. Don't do that, but just go to 'em and say, listen, I'm worried about you. I want you to know that you can talk to me and listen to them in a nonjudgmental fashion.

Sometimes the best thing you can do once you've done that is to just not say anything. Sometimes just a shared silence can be profound with them. Yeah. But just go at it from an angle of compassion, of, of love, of caring and concern, and not. Judgment and I've gotta fix this right now.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. Fantastic. So, yeah, definitely what I hear is saying is that a lot of these behavioral health issues is not a willpower problem. Like you said, you don't just throw open the shades and say, Hey, the sun's out. Just get outta your funk.

Dustin Ho-Gland: You, you know, I think it's funny, I show this video to our new orientees, but it's like, if physical ailments, which I mean, certainly there is a biological component with psychiatric issues, but it's this people talking, treating medical ailments like you would depression. Kind of like, well, Brian, have you ever tried not having pancreatic cancer? You know, you're a diabetic. Have you thought about maybe just getting outside more, just come on, getting in the sunshine. I mean, we would never say that to somebody like that, and yet we have no problem dispensing advice to somebody just saying, you know what, Martha, I think you just need to get out more and that'll get you over this, massive manic phase and tremendous grief you have over your father's death. We would never do that for a medical illness. So, we need to not do that for behavioral issues.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Well, absolutely. You know, I think it's interesting Dustin, for many years it seemed like the field of neurology and the field of psychiatry were two very different galaxies. And what we're seeing now is that they're really coming together. Cause what we're realizing is that a lot of these behavioral health challenges people have really come. Biochemistry. They come out of the neurology and, and the, and the neural function. And that's also why I think we've seen a lot of medications developed over the last number of years that become much more effective at treating these things because we realize it's not willpower. It's not just, you know, just get over it. It is a true physical change in the brain that produces these emotions and feelings that we have.

Dustin Ho-Gland: And in psychiatric medicine, in psychiatric care, that's, that's the one branch of medicine that they don't spend a lot of time imaging the organ in question with the brain. I mean, we don't have CAT scans refind enough that you can have a CAT scan and say, oh, okay, this is disorganized schizophrenia. I know that with PET scans they can see some stuff, but with the neurobiologic function of it the treatment of things. We really are in a golden age right now with a lot of chronic conditions, especially with anxiety.

And part of the discussion I have, I talked at the Emerald Children's Home last week about Behavioral health meds. And when I was talking about ADD and ADHD the attention deficit hyperactivity disorders for so long, that was seen as a discipline issue for so long that was seen as, well, that's a bad kid. We've gotta do this. And now they're like, okay, wait a minute. There's something that we can do we can help this child with medication and therapy and you've got your son back. Yeah. And there's that stigma, especially with that. Oh, the meds are gonna make them like a zombie or something, and they don't it, it helps you.

And that's, again, people wouldn't question if you have high blood pressure, you take a pill for your high blood pressure. If you have diabetes, you check your blood sugar and that. I wish there wasn't the same stigma about emotional and behavioral mental regulation that there is because it is a physical problem, every bit is real as diabetes.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. Now I was reading an article about attention deficit disorder in particular, and that at one point it probably was an evolutionary advantage in a sense of a lot of our ancestors, when it came down to. Two individuals, one that could focus on smelling a flour and the other who's constantly looking around. Guess who figures out the s saber tooth tigers behind them faster? And so they do believe that probably that, that the rapid attention changes and all did offer survival benefit in the past. finally, let's talk about, you know, I obviously, I get the impression we're facing almost an epidemic of self harm and suicide in this country.

And that's the thing everyone fears is when you have a loved one or even yourself and suddenly you're thinking, boy, are they getting, or am I getting to the point where I'm considering some form of self harm? What do you do?

Dustin Ho-Gland: Talk to somebody immediate. Find a person, find a person, and there are some conditions like with OCD, you may have, the fleeting thoughts of it. Everybody does that. But if you're all of a sudden thinking, you know, maybe the world would be better without me. Maybe this is something that I can do. Maybe somehow this will improve my situation, or it'll improve somebody else's situation. You need to find help, and you need to find it quickly.

You need to, like I said, talk to somebody. At this point, if you're feeling unsafe you need to get seen right then by somebody. Like I said, you can come right to our intake and assessment area. A lot of our patients are admitted voluntarily. It's not like if you come to us and you tell us, well, I'm thinking about hurting myself, that we're gonna just lock you up. That's not the deal. You can sign in voluntarily. You can come in and participate with this and. But anyways, just to go get seen, find somebody.

If you're in a really bad place, if you're looking at a gun or a bottle of pills, call 911. Call 911. They will get somebody that will talk to you right then and they will send somebody to your house. And this isn't gonna be even with patients that have been on involuntary committal. That's not a life destroying event. It doesn't preclude you from a lot of things. So, don't be afraid to call. But, but seek help immediately find a friend and, and be very honest with whoever you're talking to.

You know, don't beat around the bush on it. Say I'm really thinking about killing myself. Yeah. I wonder, is the world a better place? And for people that are talking to somebody or that have a loved one that's doing it, there's gonna be signs that that person may be doing. And if all of a sudden they're putting their affairs in order, if all of a sudden they're saying things like, you know, maybe it would just be better without me. So that the loved ones can pay attention to. But honestly, what I want to people to hear us say is, if you are experiencing thoughts of self harm, thoughts of suicide, get help immediately because you can get help for this. The conditions that may be leading to this or your life situations, you can get help, you can get better. There is always hope.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. No, thank you. And you brought up a great point, which is, you know, the, the police department is a valuable resource here and particularly the Amarillo Police Department has what's called the crisis intervention team. And these are Officers who are specifically trained in helping people who are in a mental crisis or a behavioral health crisis. So yeah, valuable resource. They do a fantastic job of helping these people get this, the help they need.

Dustin Ho-Gland: I really gotta give a shout out to the EPDCIT, their crisis intervention team because they're able to look at mental health for what it is, how it's a health issue, and not a criminal issue. You know, like you had mentioned, trespassing. They're not, some people, they may wander into places they're not supposed to go because they have bad intent or they're gonna steal something. It's just, they literally have no idea where they are or what they're doing. And having police trained, like our, the Emeril Police Department, CIT it saves lives.

Yeah. They're taught the, they spend a lot of time doing the verbal deescalation and the behavioral deescalation and realizing that it's a person with a mental illness. A criminal. I, I really believe it saved a lot of lives in our city. I really believe that.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. I'm with you. Very valuable resource. So well Dustin, we've covered a lot of topics today. Boy, I can't tell you how much I appreciate being on that podcast and, and particularly this time of year, which, you brought out There are a lot of people who are particularly vulnerable this time of year. So before we close, anything else that you wanna bring up or any other resources that maybe you wanna make people aware of?

Dustin Ho-Gland: You know, I was on for parents. I was putting together a presentation about childhood mental illness in children. And just the CDC has a wealth of information anytime you get online. My wife's a science teacher and she says, always look for the.org, the.org for it to be a reputable kind of research type deal. But there's nami, the N A M I, the National Association of Mental Illness, I think nami.org. CDC has good information. You know, Googling mental illness is a great place for that and. There's a lot of information out there. Again, with information availability. Again, we're in a golden age where people can learn a lot of stuff.

I remember I had a friend of mine who had ocd and he never knew that, he knew that there was something different about him. He couldn't get certain things out of his head until one day he happened to see a commercial. I think it was a pharmaceutical commercial, like a long infomercial that talked about it, and he's like, wow, there's a name for what I'm going through. So doing some research and, and just being open and unafraid to do that.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Yeah. Fantastic. You know, like you said, I think the, the .orgs, the .edus. You know, those are sites of either large institutions that have very accurate information. And so, yeah, please, please be aware there are a lot of bad websites out there. But boy, if you stick with the big medical centers and stuff like that, you're gonna get quality information you need.

Dustin Ho-Gland: And even like a lot of the .govs, It's gonna be researched and you're gonna get, you know, if it's like holistic marijuana therapy for worldhealthawareness.com, you might wanna question that one.

Dr. Brian Weiss: I go there all the time actually.

Dustin Ho-Gland: Oh yeah. You know, I do too. They have, they have great stuff. What a fros on it. A lot now . I shouldn't say that.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Well that's, well, thank you again. It's been an enlightening conversation. I really appreciate being on, we're gonna have you on again soon.

So Outstanding. I appreciate this opportunity. It's my first podcast.

Really? Boy, I've never, you're a natural.

Dustin Ho-Gland: I've never Well, thank you very much. I learned everything I know from Dr. Brian Weiss.

Dr. Brian Weiss: Well, thank you. Flat will get you nowhere. Yeah. Yeah it will actually so, well, fantastic. Well, I wanna thank everyone for listening to another podcast of Get Wise with Weiss and we'll see you next time.

Dustin Ho-Gland: Thank you. Thank you.