Scott Webb (Host): We've all suffered grief and loss,
perhaps, especially so over the past year and joining me today is Ken Boyd,
executive director of love, Akron, who also serves as an associate pastor for
local church in the city of Akron and even coaches, a local high school
football team. And I'm also joined by advocate Tracy Carter.

And they're here to discuss the grief recovery method at
love, Akron wide, so important to Akron and specifically the black community
and how Summa health is supporting their efforts.

 This is Healthy
Vitals, a podcast from Summa Health. I'm Scott Webb. So, first off I want to
thank you both for joining me. We're talking about grief today and the grief
recovery method. As we get rolling here, Kemp I wanted to start with you. What
is considered grief?

Kemp Boyd, MAOM, BL (Guest): You know, thanks so
much, first of all, for having us. It's really an awesome opportunity just to
be able to come on and talk about I think a very serious subject. And so, you
know, your first question I think is an important one because I think it's what
we see grief as, right? It's like the loss of someone. When somebody passes, we
grieve that, but really, you know, grief is the normal and the natural
emotional response to the change or loss of any kind, including death, divorce,
moving, any financial changes, health changes, relationship changes and on.
Right? Well, grief is also the result of any unmet hopes, dreams, and
expectations, but also it's the loss of any intangible concepts, such as
safety, trust, security, respect, faith, dignity, and hope. So, I know that was
a lot, but I think a lot of times when we think about grief, we really only
think about death as a result of loss, but not all of these other things.

Host: Yeah. There are so many things that kind of
fall under the umbrella of grief and all of us as you know, just humans, right?
We've all suffered grief. We've all suffered loss. And along those lines, Tracy
wanted to bring you into this and ask you if you could, share a personal story
of grief.

Tracy Carter (Guest): So, I appreciate the
opportunity to talk about this because the truth is we all are grievers. As you
move through life, you will experience loss. And so what we are promoting is
the opportunity for people to get help when their mind, their heart helps this
grief recovery that we are passionate about will help them feel better over
time. For me, my grief story is I went through a very devastating divorce.
Which took about two plus years to process. And so you talk about losing. I
lost the dream of a marriage, the dream of a family, honesty, transparency,
peace, financial stability. For what I spent on alimony and attorney fees, I
could have funded both of my kids' college education at a private institution.

Going through that trauma, that pain, took a lot out of me.
Pastor Kemp mentioned the emotional toll, but there's also a mental and a
physical toll. After you go through the storm for a period of time, it does
take a lot out of you again, your mind, body and spirit is affected and
hopefully, we can help people access some tools, some support to again, make
them feel better because everyone grieves.

Host: That's so true. Everybody does grieve. And Kemp
I wanted to ask you, maybe you could share a personal story of grief and loss
in your own life.

Kemp: Yeah, I'll tell you what, hen January, 2020 came,
right? Like it's January. So we get into, hey, Happy New Year's and the New
Year's Resolution. And so I think for me, I was going to this thing like, hey
man, this is going to be the year that man, I finally get out of debt or I'm
going to buy this home. I'm going to do these types of things, but then, you
know, March, 2020 happens and everything gets shut down because of COVID. And
so I had just transitioned into a new place of employment. I'm leading this
nonprofit here in Akron called Love Akron, and I spent maybe five months as far
as before we were restricted, we were locked down and man, I had these great
initiatives and plans for our organization and what we're going to do. And now
everything's shut down and you're not even having this ability to meet in
person because the unique thing about an organization is that our value add to
the city is, is that we're the great connector and convenor that leads to
collaboration with change makers. Well if you're shut down in your house, you
ain't doing a lot of connecting or convening. And so that was a loss for me,
for some unmet kind of expectations if you will.

Host: Yeah. And I think we can all identify with
that, right? We, we all had these plans, these dreams, whatever we imagined
2020 being. And then as you say, as we sort of went into isolation or
hibernation or whatever we're calling it and everything got put on hold. And
you know, we learned some new things, we learned to be creative. Everybody
learned to Zoom with their families or even just what Zoom is, right? Yeah. And
so one of the fascinating things about the work that you're doing is this grief
recovery method. And I wanted to have you both talk about that a little bit and
how GRM has helped you.

Tracy: Um, so I will share, for me, and I am grateful
that Summa, in partnership with Love Akron and the Summit County ADM Board all
are working together to try and better equip individuals across the community
to have this training so that whenever someone says I'm hurting, again my head
and my heart are hurting from some pain, we can step up and help them move
through a process that's proven to work. When I went through grief recovery, I
accessed it through my church and it was a 12-week support group, with a
trained, specialist, a grief recovery specialist and what the grief recovery
method does, it can be accessed again in a one-on-one or a group.

I did a group, some people do one-on-one, format and you go
through a different weeks of discovery, learning and support. And the process
is, the first step is to first admit that you're hurting. You make a decision
to recover. Someone said that there is no action without change. So you get,
you got to choose to get better.

 You then name what
your losses are. You go back in time and identify those life events that cause
you to feel sad, painful, or negative. You then start to reflect the on how you
handled those losses and some of us handle loss better than most. There's
positive behaviors or negative behaviors called short-term energy relieving
behaviors called STERBs. The positive is some of us, you know, do support
groups. Some of us, we exercise, we talk to a therapist. Some of the negative
is that some of us start to turn the alcohol. We start to get addicted to
certain behaviors or situations that are not good for us. So, understand how
you handle those losses is important.

Then you start to look at all the losses you've endured
because grief is cumulative. The older you get, you start to accumulate some
losses. Prioritize which loss you want to deal with first. And that's the
beauty of the method is I can take any loss in my life, and as Pastor Kemp
said, there beyond death, there are other losses we are enduring as humans. I
have to prioritize what loss I want to deal with first, through this process. And
some people I could tell you have done grief recovery more than once. And I
think that's a beautiful thing, but prioritize that which is limiting your life
or restricting you from moving forward, from concentrating, from being healthy.

And once you identify that priority loss, then you can move
through a process where the grieve recovery method asks you to complete a
relationship graph, where you actually unpack how that relationship worked for
you. What happened? It requires you to talk about the positive, the negative
aspects of that relationship and be honest about your role with the
relationship and the other person. And when you start to do the deep dive on a
relationship, you start to discover what is unfinished about that relationship?
What hurts you about that relationship and in that you understand better that
you do have unresolved feelings, thoughts, or wishes that you wish you could
have shared with that person. And once you are at that point, you move to what
we consider completing a loss step, where you actually are now closer to
recovery, where you are closer to being better, because when you're in that
state, you're more open to apologies, forgiveness and making some significant
emotional statements.

Like I love you. I hate you. All those things come out in
your deep dive relationship graph step. And when you are at that point, you are
at a better place, a stronger place to complete your grief recovery letter. And
that letter is so powerful because that's where you put pen to paper, all that
you're thinking and just release it. Do you send this letter to the person? No,
you do not, so we advise against that. But there's such a weight lifted
emotional, mental, and physical when you get to that release letter. So, those
are just at a high level of what people go through. Again, when I went through
the grief recovery method, I did it in a support group format.

It was 12 weeks and it's hard work. It's emotional work.
It's uncomfortable work, but if you want to get better, you have to do it, just
to move forward in life. It requires a lot of personal work, personal growth,
and I'm glad I did the work to get better.

Host: Yeah, it sounds like you definitely did the
work and it sounds like it really paid off for you. And Kemp I wanted to ask
you, you know, so Tracy took us through these steps in this amazing program and
what a great success story she is. Why do you believe it's so successful?

Kemp: You know, I think it's successful because it,
it kind of puts you in that position to where you have to communicate, right?
We learned so much the importance of communication. However, it forces you to
go into this vulnerable state and being comfortable in that vulnerableness, if
you will. And so I think the success of it is for some people, you're not going
through it alone or by yourself, you're going through this with a specialist
and the great thing is I think most of the specialists who are taking people
through this process, they went through it themselves, right? So, you're
familiar so you can identify some of those triggers. And some of the things
that participant is experiencing, man, it's so relatable for you.

Cause you've been there, done that. So, it's not like you're
just talking to somebody who is this quote, unquote professional, but this is
somebody that's actually went through the method themselves. And so they're not
sitting in a seat of judgment, but they're almost sitting in a seat of
patience, but also one that is saying, hey, I understand exactly what you're
going through. Let's sit in there for a minute. Let's not try to rush out of
it, but let's stay in that place. And I think that's one of the ways I think
the method has been so successful is because of the specialists.

Host: I'm sure you're right. And whether it's, you
know, dealing with grief and loss or those trying to recover from addiction,
you know, a lot of times having people there who've been through exactly what
you've been through, it's so instrumental in helping us to deal with these
emotions mentally, physically, and to recover and to get better. Don't you
think so Tracy?

Tracy: Absolutely. And I agree with Pastor that the
method is powerful because it requires you to communicate a lot with yourself.
A lot of us have to be honest about what happened, how we're feeling and what we
need to do differently to get better. So, having honest communication among
ourselves, I think is one of the most powerful parts or steps in the process.

It is a process that people have to understand, you can't
rush it. You have to approach it with honesty, patience, vulnerability, as
Pastor said. And I think because of those things, I think a lot of people get
better by following the method which is available across the world. Anyone who
is willing to do the work, put in the time, can move through the method. I will
tell you that the hardest step, I think for most people, when they move through
the method is when they have to sit and reflect upon their losses through life.
When I did the method, I may have had to reflect back on 45 years of my life and
the go back to childhood and like, oh, wow, that was a loss, I just recognize
it. We moved, we had a pet die. I mean, I had a friend leave me. Those were all
losses that I never was aware of. But as I said before, grief is a cumulative.
So, the method does teach you to be more aware as we move through life. Loss is
normal, and there are ways to deal with those losses in a more healthy way, a
more respectful way, for yourself and for whomever you're trying to complete or
move away or toward. That's what I think is powerful about the method.

Host: Yeah, it sure does sound powerful. And Kemp I
wanted to talk to you about, you know, basically who can participate. Sounds
like just about anybody whose suffered grief or loss or trauma, which is really
all of us. And also wanted to ask why is it important to encourage
African-American men in particular to participate?

Kemp: That's a really great question. Yeah. Everybody
can participate that is willing to go through this process, right and really
process their grief on multi different facets or levels that they go through
it. I particularly think this as important for African-American men, because I
think we need to know that it's okay. Right? We need to know that it's okay for
us to acknowledge our grief and our hurts because I think for so long and I'm
going to speak for myself being an African-American male, I think we were
brought up and taught this kind of man just grit your teeth and bear it. Right?
Just kind of get over it. Right. Like,

Host: Rub some dirt on it.

Kemp: Absolutely, like, yeah, just rub some dirt on
it keep on moving. part of life type of thing. Hey, you're a man. So be a man.
So this is what men do. Right. But what was happening I kind of equate it to
the whenever you go buy a trash can that's kind of overflowing, sometimes our
initial reaction or response is not to actually take the trash out. What we do
is that we put our foot in it and we smush it down to make more room. And I
think for us as African-American men, that's how we've lived emotionally. Like
we suppress and we continue to push down, if you will, our feelings more to
make more room, to build more capacity, thus suppressing. That's going back to
what Tracy said before, where that grief, it starts out as grief, but it's
spiraled into other things now.

Now my depression is up. My anxiety is up. Now I have a full
blown mental health situation now, right? And I'm using substances to cope with
something that man, all I had to do was just go and seek that resource or that
information. And I think right now it's just so pivotal. Even when I look at
where we live at, the suicide rate, if you will, amongst African-Americans is
at an all time high in our city.

And I do think one of the reasons for that is because we are
dealing with some unresolved grief because we have suppressed it over the
course of years. And you just heard Tracy say it best. She went back 45 years.
Like, man, what does that look like to look back over 45 years of your life,
because there's things that we have been willing to forget or thought we forget
or thought that we have gotten over. But here's the thing, the method gives us
an opportunity to say, hey, there's nothing wrong with me. And man, I have an
opportunity to get the help that I need in order to be better, not just for
myself, but for my family and not just for my family, but for my community.

Host: Yeah, that's such a great analogy, and I think
for a lot of men, a lot of us, you know, we were taught as kids there's no
crying in baseball like it's just, it's just a part of life. Your dog died,
your friend moved away. We're moving schools, you know, Tracy, like, as you
say, I'm 52. And I think back I've just been sort of all these things are
flooding through my head. As I'm listening to you speak, and I'm going all the
way back myself and I'm starting to add it up. Well, this happened when I was
four and this happened when I was seven and it's a lot, it's pretty
overwhelming. But as you said earlier, we can take them one at a time. We can
prioritize. Okay. I'm going to deal with the loss of that pet today. Like
that's the next thing on my list, right?

Tracy: Absolutely. And it's a method, it's a process.
Once you go through it, you can use it for the rest of your life. And I'm
excited about that. I wish I had this understanding, awareness in my twenties,
thirties,

Host: Hmm.

Tracy: But I, we are here. And so Kemp and I in
partnership with the Summa family, Love Akron, ADM, we're all trying to again,
equip more people across our community with this education and training so that
wherever they are, be it in the home, the workplace, the faith-based setting,
community rec center. If these specialists come across individuals who are
hurting, who say I welcome help. I welcome emotional support; they can walk
them through this process. Now we, know that grief recovery is just the first
step, it's the first conversation many need to have about their emotional and
mental health wellness. And so we are also partnering with therapists. What
are, our community effort to make sure that when people complete grief
recovery, if they say, you know what, I need to talk to someone long-term,
build a relationship with someone that I can trust to respect my secrets, my
pain, my hurt, and help me move forward in a more mentally and emotionally
healthy way, we want to better refer people to therapists just so they can
continue to be the best they can be mentally, emotionally. Because we know the
mental and emotional also impacts the physical. That's the more comprehensive
approach we want to take our local wellness programming.

Host: Yeah. And it's such an amazing program just in
general, as you say, it's available to everybody, but Kemp for folks
specifically in Akron, what a benefit to have this GRM program, to have it
really at their fingertips. Right?

Kemp: Absolutely. Yeah. Because it provides another
resource. Right? And kind of going back to Tracy's point about our specialists,
our specialists are individuals who have went through it themselves, so they
kind of know about it, but they're also from Akron. And so, there might be
people within their not only just community groups, but within their churches,
on their work sites that can go through this.

And I think right now in Akron, we are going through such I
think a place of thriving and this is that next level, right? Like we wanted to
bring this type of resource within our community because I think we talk about
mental health in a sense of broadness, but I think to be intentional to talk
about grief. Grief often gets just slipped under the rug as again, what is it,
man, when somebody dies.

We don't understand that, man, just grief is the loss of
anything, right? It's the loss of a pet. It's if we move or we have a certain
shift or change within our lives that sometimes we say, well, hey, well, I just
changed my job. Should I be feeling this way? Well, yeah, you're grieving and
it's okay. And so I think that's so important that that's available here in
Akron to help people and to provide another resource within our community.

Tracy: Kemp just mentioned that Akron is thriving,
but we also have pockets of pain and trauma that continue to keep leaders up at
night. And so when you look at our black infant mortality rates, a lot of
individuals or families are hurting from that. They need grief recovery. We
have an alarming black youth violence rate, particularly among young black men.
Those families, definitely could benefit from grief recovery.

 We talked about COVID
earlier, how that has devastated many of us from our social patterns, our
health, our economic situation. Those are major losses that would benefit from
grief recovery. And so just think Akron is ready, willing, and able to accept
this service. And our goal is to just get more people trained, get them rooted
in the community so that they could be available wherever people are who say
I'm ready for emotional support.

Kemp: Yeah. And to that point, Tracy, so that we can
get to thriving. Let me say it like that.

Tracy: That's right. That's right. Amen. Pastor.

Kemp: There you go.

Host: Let's get to thriving and I love that. I could
see that on a T-shirt don't already have those made, uh,

uh

Tracy: Yeah because the reality is many people are
just surviving. Wouldn't it be nice to get to thriving and to make that shift?
My gosh, there's a lot of focus, or support that needs to be on that mental and
emotional piece of us, that physical piece. And this is one tool that we're
activating to move people from that state of surviving to thriving.

Host: I love it.

Kemp: Absolutely.

Host: You know, that's going to be my takeaway today
is that let's get to thriving you know, but as we wrap up here, Kemp, I want to
give you final word here. What are your takeaways? What do you most want folks
to know about the grief recovery method, the availability in Akron and the
importance of anyone who suffered trauma, grief, loss, to have them reach out.

Kemp: Yeah. we're making an accessible to everybody.
If you go to the, our website, www.loveakron.org and just click on the menu
button, you'll scroll down to about, and in our about is the grief recovery
method. If you click on that page, all you have to do is scroll down and you
can fill out if you're in need of this resource, or this service, all you have
to do, you can fill it out online.

And that goes directly to us and we can get you connected as
soon as possible. And so that's what we want people to know. We were making
this as easy as possible for people to access this resource, just at their
convenience and when they need it. And so it's going to be there again, our
website is loveakron.org, go on it, click on the about tab or the menu, then go
to the about tab and you will see the grief recovery method.

And so this is the time for us to go from just surviving to
now thriving, because that's what 2020 was for us. Right? We're just trying to
survive the pandemic right into each and every day. But now man, now it's time
for us to turn that page and go to thriving.

Host: I have to say, Kemp, you are very
inspirational. Tracy, you are so knowledgeable, so passionate. I want to get to
thriving and people can do that at loveakron.org. I feel like we could speak
all afternoon, but we're going to wrap it up and I'm going to thank you both
for being here and you both stay well.

Kemp: Hey, thank you.

Tracy: Thank you.

Host: Learn more by contacting Love Akron at
loveakron.org or calling 330- 384-8124 or by email@mhw@loveakron.org. And if
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additional topics of interest. This is Healthy Vitals, a podcast from Summa
Health. I'm Scott Webb. Stay well, and we'll talk again next time.