Matt Sherrer, MD (Host 1): Welcome to the Fresh Flow Podcast. I say I'm excited every time, but this one, in the few minutes leading up this, we're already laughing our tails off. So, this is going to be a really good one. Mitchell, I was thinking leading up to this one about sports teams. There's a reason-- we're going to get into this probably early on in this-- there's a reason I was thinking about sports teams. I was a Jordan guy back in the day, huge MJ fan. What sport and what was your childhood favorite sports franchise? Who'd you pull for?

Mitchell Tsai, MD (Host 2): I think this is a little bit scary, but it used to be the Lakers, and then the young Michael Jordan came along. So, it was actually a lot more fun to watch Michael Jordan, and I still remember the move down the middle of the lane, I forget which conference-- well, not conference-- which finals, but where Jordan went up right-handed. And then as he's coming down, lays the ball up left-handed. But no, absolutely, Michael Jordan was a childhood hero.

Host 1: All right. And for our audience, we'll understand why we're talking about this in just a minute. So, Mitchell, you want to introduce our guest today?

Host 2: So yes, I get the pleasure of introducing Thomas Corrado. He is a Clinical Director at Stony Brook and probably one of the most unique, rare, funniest people I know in our specialty. And I think we're definitely going to have fun tonight.

Host 1: Absolutely. Tommy, welcome, buddy.

Thomas Corrado, MD: Mitch, Matt, thank you so much. Thank you, really, absolutely for the very flattering introduction. Really, really looking forward to this. I listen to all the other Fresh Flow podcasts. And now to be on one, it seems like I'm sitting in a room with greats. So, really looking forward to talking with you guys today.

Host 2: Should we let Tom know that he's the only one person in the world that has to all the podcasts, other than you and me, Matt?

Host 1: And if you listened to all of them, you are an N of one. We owe you a thank you.

Thomas Corrado, MD: You just send the threatening letters to my house. There's messages hidden in each one, and that's how I would find out where the treasure was buried or whatever it would be.

Host 1: Oh, we told you guys we're going to have fun on this one. The reason I was asking Mitchell about sports teams is I was thinking about NBA teams and their breakaway warmup pants and how they pop those off as they run to the table to check into the game. I think of Indiana and those candy cane stripe pants. And I didn't ever expect to see that in a medical conference until AACD Perioperative Summit 2025 when your Fresh Flow guest today, Dr. Tommy Corrado, comes to the stage in full suit and then busts away with breakaway suit pants that he had crafted himself. There was a reason for it, and it is a tremendous story. So despite the humor that goes along with this, I think there is a lot of good stuff to uncover in here.

So, Dr. Corrado, tell us why the breakaway pants. And then if you don't mind, share a little bit of your story and tell us about what happened to you back in the day and how it changed you.

Thomas Corrado, MD: Absolutely. I've was talking with you guys about, you know, maybe you could do a talk one of the days at the AACD. And I thought about, gee, what would be interesting, what would be compelling? And then, something came to mind, it was accessibility in the OR. And when people are thinking accessibility, they're thinking of block time, "I got 30 cases to get into 15 rooms," whatever it's going to be. That's what people think of. At least I know that that's what the common perception would be, particularly in a meeting like that for accessibility.

So, what I did is I go up to just jump forward a little bit. I'm standing there in my business suit as anyone will be wearing to a professional meeting like this. And I asked people, you know, "I want you to do something. I want you to think what were you doing on October 14th, 1991?" And I looked around and I said, you know, maybe you were in high school, recovering from a long weekend. Maybe some of us weren't even physicians yet. Maybe some are brand new physicians. And then, I said, "Me, I was planting the seeds. The fruits of which would be the conversation we're about to have now," and then broke away the pants that I was wearing. You were there. However, I'll try to paint the mental picture for everybody.

I'm standing there suit, tie, shorts, and then a pair of limbs. One the flesh leg on the left side that I was born with, and the other one would be the prosthetic limb that I inherited shortly after October 14th, 1991, following a football injury that day. To fill the story in a little bit, it was a normal Columbus Day weekend, had the day off from school, went out and played a pick me up game of football. And luck would have it, I took a handoff. I took a handoff and go to run and got a bad tackle. Bad tackle. And really, I knew my leg was injured and injured bad. I remember telling a friend of mine between kind of the-- I'm not too much of an alpha, I do admit, probably some sobs of pain in that. Someone called my family. Family calls the primary doctor who says, you know what, "Don't make him go to an emergency room." This guy, "Just bring him in. Whatever happened, I'll set it." So, they bring the family car over. Old Eagle Scout, so I kind of remembered how to do a carry. You know, I have instructed people to do the carries. They put me in the back of the car. They drive me to the family doctor who says, "You know what? That's an orthopedic injury, needs to see an orthopedist."

Long story short, I go through Orthopedics, actually went to another office, ended up in an emergency room where they said, "You should have been here a while ago." Lot of blood loss. My thigh was thick as my waist. And really, it was a rough time. They attempted to do a bypass, a fem-tib bypass. Really, it was a small hospital and they did their best. And they said, "You know what? Really, it was a long bypass." They took me back. It was a second revision in that. It was probably a little bit over their capacity, and it was a bad injury. They took me to the hospital for a special surgery the next week. Phenomenal orthopedic hospital and irreparable damage. There was already a lot of loss. I met a couple of phenomenal people when I was in there. One before the operation even had, it was a person whose name was Patty Ross Beck. Patty is a nurse. You met a thousand nurses when you're in there and she just talks to me a little bit. She explains the situation. You know, tells me a bit about what the process would be. And then, she lets me know that, you know, "Tommy, I just want you to know something." She shows me, lifts up the hem of her skirt. She had this British, very, very formal-sounding, really, this Mary Poppins presence almost to her. Shows me that she's also an amputee. I said, "You know what? That's pretty awesome."

Another person comes in during basically the same period of time, gentleman leaves says, "You know what? I just want you to know, I've been there. We're going to get you through this." And it's weird to say, but I felt good about it because I knew that, "Hey, you know what? Whatever happened, I'm going to get through this." They ended up doing a through knee and then an above-knee amputation. I stayed there for about another week or so in change. After that, I did some rehab at home, got a prosthesis, ended up with phenomenal support. That was probably the thing that really made this, I got support from school, support from my family, support from everyone that I had met. And ended up going home with a probably changed direction in life and an idea for a great career, which was Anesthesiology.

Host 1: Wow, my Anesthesiology story can't even begin to touch that one.

Thomas Corrado, MD: It's actually funny, when I was talking about like interviewing in that, someone had told me originally, "Well, Tommy, don't mention that. That might not be a good idea." And then, Dr. Zimmerman, he told me, "Oh, you have to mention that." He said, "Otherwise you are gray." He's like, "What's going to stand out about you? But if you do this," he said, "You're going to plant yourself in someone's head. And you made yourself someone who would be a little tedious on a subway to talk to. Now, all of a sudden, it's compelling."

Host 1: So, you lost something that day, right? You lost a leg that day. But I've known you now long enough to know you gained something that day. You're different because of it. You hear all these stories about how suffering can help, right? It can make us better. We can grow from it. Do you have a story like that? What did you gain in that loss?

Thomas Corrado, MD: There's probably two big points in that, and this comes across a lot. There's pain and there's suffering. And I've had a tremendous amount of pain. I've had phantom pain. You get breakdown, you get the other stuff. That's a physical thing. The suffering, I've been lucky in that I didn't suffer tremendously because when it looked like I was in a spot where maybe suffering would come into play. I was able to say, You know what?-- not to say what's the barrier, but what's the cause of this suffering? There are a lot of things that I wanted to do that maybe I wasn't able to do. "Okay. You know what? You're not going to sprint anymore. You're parkour days are over before they began," I don't even know if that was a thing in '91, "but you're absolutely going to have to find different ways of doing things."

But I had people around me, and what I found was, you know what? I can find different ways of doing tasks that everybody else does. And that's probably the biggest thing that even I take and I share with other people. I'll tell the residents, I'll tell everybody, "Watch me when I talk to a patient. Watch me when I do something. We both have the same goal. Don't be me." I've been me for 50 years. You're probably not going to be a better me than me. However, you're the best you that has probably ever existed or will exist. Use your skillset. Use the things that you have, which are good. Maybe some of the limitations that you have, which could hold you back, but instead can allow you to show a little creativity, maybe a little bit of almost-- not sympathy, but almost that empathy with someone who's having some challenge. It really allows what could be suffering to really turn into something amazing and really an absolute positive. Pain, you could deal with pain, but suffering is something that you could really spin to a positive for not only yourself, but other people.

Host 2: So, Tommy, I think that there was more to the story at the AACD that you shared about sort of the onboarding orientation process when you became an attending anesthesiologist. Do you want to touch upon that here? Because I think there's a story that might resonate with a lot of our audience members.

Thomas Corrado, MD: Is that the one with Chris?

Host 2: With Chris Gallagher.

Thomas Corrado, MD: Yep. Yep. Yeah. And this is something that-- and again, this is to talk about the challenges. I had completed a residency at Stony Brook. Now, I was getting ready to come on as an attending. And there was some concern about some of the other attendings. I'm still a resident becoming a brand new attending. And you know what? "Hey, we'd like to offer you a position there." Some people had concerns about me being in the hospital maybe on call alone or you know, "Hey, you know what? In the end, maybe this may be a barrier that he can't overcome." And I can remember it like it was yesterday. It's got a better part of, you know, 20 years ago. And I can see the room that I'm in, I can see the people sitting across from me. Chris, I'll mention Chris because he is someone who has been a huge influence and I can see him sitting there. I said, "You know what? I promise you that if there's a situation," I said, "You will not have to ask me to leave." Because as soon as I even feel that this is something that could be a situation like that, I'll voluntarily leave. I understand your concern. But I said, "Whatever you want to do," I said, "I think that that's reasonable." And Chris said something that I can still hear him saying it. He said, "You know, Tommy, this is not a trivial situation. This is not a trivial problem. But you don't have trivial friends." And like I said, I can see him in the corner of my eye. He was sitting right across from me, and I hear it resonating every day in that, "You know what? This is a problem I'm up against, and it's not a trivial problem, but I don't have trivial friends."

Probably one of the biggest gifts he's given me also is, after that, I've kind of tried to not only get through problems like that, but to not be a trivial friend, to realize that it's not only being the recipient of desistance and being the person who's helped. But again, it's that suffering into something amazing. If I can now say, "You know what, you're in a spot. I'm here if you need me. I've got some ideas. I want to hear what you maybe need. I'm going to help and I'm going to not be the trivial friend."

Host 2: Just for our audience members, the Chris that we're talking about is Dr. Chris Gallagher, who is the longtime Program Director at Stony Brook. He's the author of Board Stiff for the TEE Boards Review, and probably one of the funniest people that I've ever met in my career as an academic anesthesiologist. And then, just a shout out to Dr. Gallagher. There's a funnier guy, and that would be Dr. Tommy Corrado.

Thomas Corrado, MD: Only because I've laughed at the feet of Giants, and even to be included in the same conversation with them. Chris Gallagher, when you hear this, because we'll obviously share this with you, know that it's, you know, many, many years later, and I still absolutely value every moment we spend together and the moments we still get spend together.

Host 1: So, that kind of hints at your role in education. And we couldn't help but notice when we were kind of flipping through your CV, this CA-1 drown-proofing course that you teach. Tell us about that. That sounds like something that as a CA-1 I needed badly, but what is that drown-proofing all about?

Thomas Corrado, MD: That was actually done with Dr. Vahé Tateosian, who's here at Stony Brook with me also. He is one of the pediatric anesthesiologists, was also integral in us putting this together. Basically, what it is, it's kind of an onboarding for the new residents. And if you've seen someone who is-- you've seen the Michael Phelps and someone who is swimming with just absolute dexterity and grace, and they don't even splash. That's not this at all. Then, there's the person who look over on the other side of the party boat and you hear, "Boom," the splash, and you think, "Oh, boy." And there's floundering and there's whatever, but there's a head bobbing above the surface. You're not drowning. You're staying alive. This is the basic things that you need to do.

What we did is for these situations, it's a few key things: hypoxia, hypotension, a disconnect. These are absolute basic problems. We'll do them in the sim center. You go through them, and then how do you intervene? So, probably, the number one thing is call for help. Call for help. Who do you call for help? I always tell them the first number that you call was 47481. That's the anesthesia coordinator number. You call for help.

The other thing is it's almost picture Karate Kid where you're doing wax on wax-- I'm dating myself right now-- we're talking about the old Ralph Macchio one. I'm from Long Island. Maybe not the new one. Mitch is doing the same thing here. He is painting up and down. But you go through these things. And then, when you need them, even if they're not beautiful, even if they're not elegant, they're there and you've learned them. And that kind of actually in a weird way is applicable outside of that first year thing.

Then, it becomes other locations where, "How do I drown-proof everything else?" Drown-proofing it, I would almost say if you had to think of a concept, it's when you go to your own debrief and you talk about it, what's the first thing I could have done? Well, you say, "If I look back, what should I have done?" That's drown-proofing. First, you shouldn't have been by the edge, you know, when you were reaching over for the pole fish, but you did, what's the first thing you should have done? Take off anything that's going to hold you down, wave your arms. You know what? Maybe a case came in that I wasn't ready for. What should I have done? Call for help. Send for blood. I have five leveled cases coming in. And I only have three anesthesiologists who are here, or not enough teams. What should I have done? Call the OR director call for help. Who else is in the hospital? Any level. That drown-proofing is it's recognition of the situation. What can I do now to prevent it from getting worse, and at least to now give us grounds in which to improve.

Host 2: We look at your CV, and it's clear that you're invested in education. There's the idea of how you actually get people comfortable in the operating room environment. And I think our questions that we were kicking back and forth before the show, there's this idea that there is no average. The US Air Force in the 1950s was trying to build the average cockpit. And what they did, 10 items or 10 measurements across 10,000 pilots and discovered that nobody was average. So, taking that concept of, one, drown-proofing, making sure people are going to survive, how do we make sure that that environment in the operating room is accessible? And we talked about this at the beginning, but how do you make sure everybody can do what they need to do?

Thomas Corrado, MD: Excellent question, and it probably works on a couple of different levels. One, just because we've had even a couple of new ORs that they were renovating here at Stony Brook from the beginning. Bring other people in who specialize in this. It depends on where you're located. They are, A, in your own hospital. OT, PT, things like that are available. There's also, depending on your location, institutions that have people that'll come and just say, "Hey, you know what? It's not only things like your doors need to be this wide, your ramp needs to be this high, but it's the other workflow things, accommodations." Probably speak to people. Speak to the people who are going to be there. "Hey, does this look like it's going to work?" Bear in mind that nothing is going to fit everybody. But be prepared for the fact that you will get feedback from people. Ask the ones who say, "You know what? We have one pediatric anesthesiologist here, he's 6-foot 9. One of our pediatric surgeons here is under five feet. They're never going to be at the same height. So, it's a matter of, "Okay, it's not even people think of these, the terminology, they're different. Everyone's different." So, I think that's probably the two biggest things. A, the little bit of planning, getting people in. But B, the other thing that even I think with accessibility, more than only planning for the infrastructure, the AI, and technology in that it's going to level the playing field in that our dexterity, no one's going to match a machine. It's your endurance and all these other things, precision. Eventually, everyone is kind of going to hit that same level when you're augmented. But now, it goes back to, in a weird way, the more technology you get, the more reliant we are upon people and interacting in that, assembling the teams as someone who's both had a ton of accommodation and help in the OR as well as even to help other people who've had that. It's the best piece of equipment to help you, or the best resource you have is the team that supports you. It's amazing. Unlike most of the things that we get in the OR, the more you use it, the less useful it becomes. And the team, when they work around a person and they're used to dealing with a person, and you kind of get to understand and trust each other, it gets better and better. It's like a good scotch. Over age, you know, time, it just gets better and better.

Host 2: I just want to comment on the technology piece. I mean, I grew up in an era where central lines were placed without ultrasound. You used anatomical landmarks and you were careful about what you did and where you directed the needle. And I think, an overdependence on these technologies-- And I always, you know, encourage my residents, figure out two or three ways to do a procedure. It's only going to benefit you down the road. But it'll be interesting to see what happens down the road, as we become more and more dependent on these technologies.

Thomas Corrado, MD: I think the more dependent you are on a technology, the more vulnerable you are. If it fails, which is why it's important, like you said, not only for the basics, and I've always tried to keep the basics up, but asking, being comfortable to ask for help is probably another accessibility thing to be comfortable enough to say, "You know what? I need help with this" or "I'm not sure how to do this." I am absolutely the biggest requester of help. And it might be, you know, some people say, "Well, is that a sign of lack of confidence?" No. No, it is not-- or maybe it is, but it's a sign of, "You know what? I know what's best in the end." And when I look back and say, "What's the first thing I should have done?" I should have gotten for help, I should have asked for help. I should have said, "Hey, you know what? Does anyone have an idea?"

Roy Soto, I remember him from years back, and his thing always used to be, if you're having trouble with a procedure, you're having trouble, don't shake your head. Even if the patient can't see you, everybody knows you're having a rough time. But if you are kind of that calm in the room, people stay calm and then you get to benefit from their answers. If they see you coming in a little hot, then everyone panics a little bit, the ship's going to run aground. Whereas if they see you being kind of relaxed and, you know, is this difficult? Yes, it is. "Tommy, have you considered trying this?" Not yet, but I'm about to because I think you're going to tell me, and I like where this is going. So, I think that's kind of the biggest thing also, is to always be comfortable to reach out. It's not vulnerability, I don't think to admit that you need assistance. If anything, recognizing that someone else may be able to help you, which is a pretty awesome thing to make someone else nontrivial.

Host 2: I'd argue it's humility.

Host 1: Humility, man. That's what I'm sitting here thinking too. Tommy, you kind of are just evidence that, when you come to AACD meetings, you get to meet a lot of really interesting people. You get to see a lot of different perspectives too. I mean, we talk about stuff at those meetings that you just don't see anywhere else.

You've recently come onto our board and we're excited about that. What is it about AACD? And I don't want to make this a commercial for it. I'm not trying to do that. But what was it about the AACD that drew you in? What drew you to those meetings and what drew you the board member level?

Thomas Corrado, MD: Again, this is a disclaimer. I'm safe. Everybody who's listening. It's not that I'm being said to say great things about this, because I truly, truly love it. I like the people, people who have a shared experience and we kind of get it. I find myself in the OR, and I always say, "Man, I wish I had someone else to bounce something off of. I wonder how someone else who's gone through something similar to this has addressed it." It's a group of people who have similar but not identical experiences, which is the thing that I'm similar to the people in my room, but not by any way, shape, or form, identical. That's the thing that I love most about the AACD. The people are approachable. We have a lot of shared experiences that tend to be open with things. If I had an idea for something, they'll say it. If something needs to be criticized, they'll say, "You know what? Have you considered doing this? Maybe you could do that better." That's the epitome of trusting someone, is to be able to say, "Hey, you know what? You might try this. This has worked for us. This didn't work for us." It's not only sharing successes, but saying, "Well, you know what? I feel comfortable sharing non-successes."

Host 2: I think your first assignment as a board member is to figure out how to network, all the clinical directors across the country so that when we need to call for help, we can call for help.

Thomas Corrado, MD: I would say at video conferencing everybody, and there's a non-zero chance that you may see Tommy without a pair of pants. If there is anything that's going to keep people engaged, keep them ready to go. I think that's it.

Host 1: Let's point out that you handmade those, right? Tell us about that. Like the Velcro is an issue. Is that what you're telling us?

Thomas Corrado, MD: Absolutely. As Mitch have spoken to you about, Helen O'Shea, the very intelligent, now, I don't want to say refined, but lovely girlfriend of many years who is someone professional in her interaction with people. She sees me as I'm standing there and I have a pair of pants and said, "What are you doing? I said, "Well, I'm trying to make breakaway pants. And just for what I said, "Well, I have an idea. I'm going to wear a breakaway. Be able to like Magic Mike style, just Full Monty, straight up, slip my pants off." And you could hear, "Yay. You're going to do this, aren't you?" And you could actually hear the conversation in her own head. When you go to Walmart, it turns out they don't have ready-made breakaway pants in the plus size department. However, we were just saying, thanks to my grandmother who taught me how to sew back when I was in high school, I sewed my first Moses costume out of some beautiful brown wool.

Then, when I went and told the other lady at the fabric store, she said, "What are you going to make out of this? Did you get this to make a lovely skirt or lovely business suit?" Why a 14-year-old kid would be making a lovely business suit? Not my question, but I said, "Oh no, I'm going to make a Moses costume." And you could just see that subtle disappointment. However, if I would've told her, you know what? Wait 40 years, and then the skills that I learned doing this, I'm going to be in front of a bunch of people and some really awesome professionals, and this is the seeds that we're going to plant, you know, reap that harvest later on.

Host 2: I think the title for this podcast is going to have to include either the Full Monty or Not Your Grandfather's Pants.

Thomas Corrado, MD: It's technically a Half Monty.

Host 1: That might be a Magic Mike reference.

Host 2: So, Tommy, in this podcast, Matt and I have this habit of building time machines, where you are today, understanding where you want to go, we started with the story of your younger self. You've talked about the people that have had an opportunity to talk to you. What would you, if you had the chance, tell your younger self on the Columbus Day?

Thomas Corrado, MD: Got it. Well, you know what, first off, when I was jumping back, I would probably-- and I want an apology. It was two years ago at the ASA and I wish I remember who it was, because I'm someone who's made mistakes and things that I'll say, and maybe I'll use terminology. Somebody said, "Tell me, are you disabled? Are you differently abled?" No, whatever you call me, you call me. But if I said something that someone finds offensive, I think the single greatest bit of education I ever got was rather than saying, "Ooh, you know what? I'm sorry that I said that. I didn't mean to..." What he had said at his presentation was thank you for trusting me enough to correct me. And it's such a powerful, powerful statement because it takes what could be a negative, and it instantly turns it into a positive. And you know what? I don't remember their name. I've probably credited them a hundred times, and I can't remember who it was. If this is you, know that I'm not taking credit for your work. I'm just getting it out there. I would probably tell myself, "Write that down. You're going to want to credit this person," or you're going to want to footnote it.

Then, I would skip back into my time machine, probably go and seeing myself on that morning and say, "You know what, Tommy? Take the handoff." A lot of people would probably say, "Different play. Don't do that. Take the handoff." You know what? Things have worked out well. You'll be okay. Take the handoff. That's probably the best info.

Host 2: You'll still take the handoff.

Host 1: Yep. Still take the handoff. We're getting towards the end of our time here. I've said this on numerous podcasts, I hope our residents are listening, just the mindset of overcoming challenges and how they can actually hone and refine you over time. But to that end, to the trainees of today, when you look at the future, right? We're doing back in the time machine, we got 1.21 gigawatts again, jumping forward this time, to the trainees out there, what's the exciting part of our specialty? And then, what advice would you give to them as they're coming out of training and entering the field of Anesthesiology?

Thomas Corrado, MD: The exciting part of it, it's never forget what a privilege and an honor and how amazing it is to take care of a patient, to work with a great team taking care of these individuals. Probably, one of the biggest questions that people say to me, "Tommy, you like talking to people," you go, "Why did you pick a specialty where the person is asleep most of the time?" And everyone chuckles. And I'll say, "You know what? Look at what my job is." I said, "I have to come in. I've never met a person before. Inside of a three to five-minute meeting, I either have to get you to trust me, not only with yourself, but possibly with your child, loved one, the most valuable thing in the world." And that is such an uncomfortable situation potentially. And you know what? For us to have the opportunity to do that multiple times a day, that's amazing.

The medicine, the AI will replace us in medicine. They'll replace us in technology. I think it'll be a long time before anything's able to replace us having those moments with people. That's probably what I would say to them. Remember them. Because when you go back and you are lying on-- you know, family around you holding your hands in your final moments before you shed your mortal coil, you're not going to say, "My God, ChatGPT4.0 was great, but ChatGPT6.0 was even better." But no, you're going to remember the stories like these, you're going to remember the moments where you weren't a trivial friend. You're going to remember those interactions. Those are the things that you can't pay for. But now that we're doing this, you get them for free potentially almost every day.

Host 2: Amen.

Host 1: Amen. Well said, Brother. Mitch. Anything else, man?

Host 2: No.

Host 1: I mean, drop the mic there, right?

Host 2: I know. It's always a pleasure talking to you, Tommy. And as the past president of the AACD, I'm excited to see what you're going to do as a board member for the organization. And, you know, even with these last couple years that I've had the honor of knowing you and seeing what you've done, I'm excited.

Host 1: Yeah, likewise, Tommy. You're an inspirational guy, man. I'm so glad we did this and I'm so glad we gave you the platform to come on, and I'm so glad you were just you. You inspire me every time. People don't realize a lot of times that we can see each other when we record these. We just released the audio. But Mitch and I have just been kind of sitting back and smiling. So, thank you for coming on. And thank you for your story and for sharing it with us.

Thomas Corrado, MD: Thank you for the opportunity and, you know, for the chance to just come on and share with a bunch of awesome people.

Host 1: Awesome. Thanks, brother. All right, guys. That does it for this edition of The Fresh Flow Podcast. We'll catch you next time. Thank you.